The dumbest creationist quote ever
From Cosmic Variance here's one of the best creationist quotes ever. It's so good I had to share it:
You should be laughing quite hard right now. I know I was. The funny thing is that this person is exactly right about his science. Life on Earth couldn't function without some giant influx of energy. We'd die a cold, lonely death without it (just like the universe will eventually). But we fortunately do have energy coming in, and us scientists do indeed know about it (as does everyone else on the planet).
In case you don't get it, it's the sun.
One of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn’t possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it.
You should be laughing quite hard right now. I know I was. The funny thing is that this person is exactly right about his science. Life on Earth couldn't function without some giant influx of energy. We'd die a cold, lonely death without it (just like the universe will eventually). But we fortunately do have energy coming in, and us scientists do indeed know about it (as does everyone else on the planet).
In case you don't get it, it's the sun.
Labels: creationism, science
41 Comments:
Intelligence and creationism have never been good bedfellows.
By Unknown, at 4:54 PM, May 10, 2007
lolololololololol
trying to use science to prove theology ends in failure
By eviljebus, at 5:14 PM, May 10, 2007
You forgot to get the name of the dumbfuck in question, so you could correctly attribute the idiocy to the correct idiot. It's not fair to label all creationists, I'm sure some of them are able to function as a modestly productive members of society.
By Anonymous, at 5:55 PM, May 10, 2007
That's a good one! Thanks for the laugh!
By dabydeen, at 7:01 PM, May 10, 2007
I really think that quote is a spoof.
By J, at 7:05 PM, May 10, 2007
I'm a moderator at FSTDT (Fundies Say The Darndest Things), where this quote was first brought to light. We try to keep troll posts off our site, but there's no evidence that shows this to be anything other than the honest opinion of a sadly deluded fundamentalist.
The website is at http://www.fstdt.com.
By Unknown, at 8:27 PM, May 10, 2007
If you go to FSTDT and follow the discussion, this person immediately writes another note saying "the sun doesn't count!". Their argument stays retarded, but they did seem to understand that the sun exists.
By Chuck, at 8:38 PM, May 10, 2007
Chuck, I think that makes it even better. Talk about ignorant (and idiotic).
By Stupac2, at 8:41 PM, May 10, 2007
It's scary that only 28% of Americans believe in evolution.
By Heqo-Man, at 9:07 PM, May 10, 2007
Then again, you have the biggest nutbag creationist - Ken Ham - who is about to open the Creation Museum at the end of May in Kentucky. Ken's wonderful and educational "museum" will teach us that dinosaurs and humans lived together and that dinosaurs even went on Noah's Ark. Have a read:
http://paralleldivergence.com/2007/04/28/creation-museum-madness/
By Stu, at 12:09 AM, May 11, 2007
Even before photonic energy arrives to Earth, the atoms in Sun need an initial influx of energy too. So this blog serves as a good example for how Darwinists take evolution as represented by random mutation and natural selection, _way_ too far back with absolutely no justification.
If only Darwin himself were around to publish a small Addendum to his work, having witnessed the past 40 years of biology by looking inside of a cell.
By Anonymous, at 12:29 AM, May 11, 2007
"Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase" is incomplete as it is ... one must add "In a closed environment".It is not well determined if the Universe is a "closed environment".Until this fact is determined one cannot bring into argument the second law of thermodinamics. :)
By Anonymous, at 1:46 AM, May 11, 2007
Isn't it a beautiful thing that this man supports the theories of Thermodynamics, but then does believe that God almighty is able to find the loophole around these fundamental laws and create complex organisms?
By Jim, at 2:26 AM, May 11, 2007
'The scientists would know about it' was comedy gold in itself.
'The Sun doesn't count' is a coffee-through-your-nose moment.
Why yes, yes indeed. Scientists have noticed this curious source of energy that seems to sustain increasing complexity.
Oh, the sun doesn't count. Gosh darn, we're going to have to start looking for something else then. My Aunt Marcy still has a wind-up telephone, would that do?
There really is no discussing science against this kind of argument.
The strange thing is that there appears to be an emerging school of thought that science itself proves god exists. I'm not kidding. Because of the fact that the laws of nature are what they are and that elements have specific characteristics attached to them, without which you simply could not have -this- universe, it follows, apparently, that some outside entity had to be at work to carefully craft the universe.
I have a hard time with that argument. However, it is not proposed by someone who snorts the bible everyday, this is not someone who believes in the child-like bible story. He makes a really good argument.
Now you want to know his name and I absolutely want to give it to you, I just don't know it. I've only ever read one article about the man and there appears to be one scientist who changed his point of view: http://www.bible.ca/tracks/converted-to-creation-antony-flew-former-atheist.htm
I don't want to promote that particular site, it's just the first google reference I could find where his name appears.
Professor Flew is the man who was persuaded by the-guy-whose-name-I-don't-recall and on the surface the argument doesn't sound particularly silly nor is it brought with religious fervor or the promise of eternal damnation if you're not buying it.
I'm not buying it though.
Sorry for the long post.
By Ig-meister, at 2:28 AM, May 11, 2007
Wouldn't it be great if it were possible to get it into the heads of people who wantonly abuse science like this that the laws of thermodynamics only hold in closed environments? Last time I checked the earth doesn't exist in it's own personal bubble.
By Unknown, at 2:45 AM, May 11, 2007
No way that's the dumbest creationist quote ever, but it is a good one. Actually, the guy is correct in everything he says!
On the other hand the appeal to thermodynamics is the only 'creationist' argument I've seen that doesn't have an obvious answer yet (but this argument doesn't deny evolution, just that the process of evolution appears to contradict basic tendencies of physical systems.)
By Em, at 3:06 AM, May 11, 2007
Of course, the sun doesn't in fact count in quite the direct manner suggested: scientists are still struggling with much of the theory of evolution(see Dawkins, the man's a twerp but his science isn't bad). It's interesting how quick people are to replace one certainty with another, and condemn those who don't subscribe with a zeal first seen in heresy trials. For the record I'm not a creationist, I do believe in evolution (interesting how we always use that expression, don't you think?) and I do think that the quotation was produced by a clearly inarticulate person with a limited grasp of scientific research. The labelling of anybody who disagrees with a certain viewpoint as intellectually challenged just sounds a bit...well, fundamentalist to me.
By Anonymous, at 3:16 AM, May 11, 2007
Also, surely simple to complex is an increase in entropy. Something complex, by its nature, has more information than something simple. In fact, you could probably define complexity in terms of increasing entropy. Although that is from a statistics point of view, and I know very little about thermodynamics.
By Anonymous, at 4:09 AM, May 11, 2007
I cant beleive that so many people\atheists are so fkin stupid that they can't see the inconsistencies in the evolution theory.
By Anonymous, at 4:26 AM, May 11, 2007
so let me get this right...you guys evolved from monkeys?
By Bijo, at 4:35 AM, May 11, 2007
The creationist left out that the 2nd law of thermodynamics requires both an energy source -and- a way to harness that energy source. Only photosynthesis can harness the sun's energy, which is otherwise destructive.
By Anonymous, at 5:26 AM, May 11, 2007
Maybe we should worship the sun...
By Patricio López Guzmán, at 6:15 AM, May 11, 2007
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By Anonymous, at 6:27 AM, May 11, 2007
I think it bears mentioning that this post was a comment on a video game forum http://smashboards.com/. Here's the original post: http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=1073734&postcount=232
By JD, at 6:28 AM, May 11, 2007
It is possible to be intelligent and have a creationist point of view. Yes, the quote comes across as misinformed, but I'm sure you'd be able to find some evolutionists who would also have trouble presenting the evolutionary point of view articulately. For a better description of how the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics supports creationism, consider this webpage: http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-thermodynamics.html
Those who have their minds made up in favour of evolution or label others with a different point of view as a dumbf*ck need not bother.
By Anonymous, at 6:36 AM, May 11, 2007
Well, that just proves George Carlin's theory... We should all worship the sun.
By Patach, at 8:01 AM, May 11, 2007
ROFFLTMAOLOL. I love that so much. It's like that phony letter from the woman in Arkansas about Daylight Savings Time, only it's real.
By Steve Brezenoff, at 8:35 AM, May 11, 2007
It's funny how "Evolutionist's" think we came from monkeys. How the F does that make any sense when monkeys still exist?If we all evolve how come animals cant talk yet? How come humans cant follow 10 simple commandments that aren't hard to understand? How come human nature doesn't change even after advances in technology and change of lifestyle and surroundings in the last 5 thousand years? Now who's outlook on life is retarted?
By Anonymous, at 10:17 AM, May 11, 2007
Umm... your's does. Mr. "The world was made by some almighty god who gives people free will and then if they exercise it punishes them"
Seriously. If your only argument is going to be something stupid like "why are monkeys still here" then I'm going to pull the dumbest part of the bible at you.
By Anonymous, at 2:29 PM, May 11, 2007
Didn't christians change Apollo into Lucifer when they made the big takover of the Roman empire?
By Anonymous, at 8:59 PM, May 12, 2007
Am I the only one that understands the compatibility of evolution and creationism(aka intelligent design)? I'm not saying I'm a creationist. I find evolution to be fascinating. But... is it not possible a power we don't understand guided evolution?
By Anonymous, at 11:48 PM, May 12, 2007
Maybe it's easier to look at it this way:
Religion = WHY are we here?
Science = Well, we're here, HOW did we get here?
It's two separate questions.
As for the "monkey" question, evolution supposedly works along the lines of: First there were cells, then there were fish, then there were amphibians, then there were mammals, then there were people. (this is INSANELY simplified, I know.) The thing is, when there were fish, there were cells still becoming fish, when amphibians were becoming mammals, there were still fish becoming amphibians, so now that there are people, there are still monkeys becoming human.
It's easy to call each other stupid and berate one another for being what one side perceives as wrong, but why must one side be right and one wrong? Why can't you live quietly with the knowledge and stop berating those who see things differently? Evolutionists, if they call you dumb, why don't you stop living up to their biblical "eye for an eye" and just let it go, and creationists, if you're right, why would you want to try to convince others anyway? Do you really want to share heaven with people you had to convince were wrong?
Besides, everyone knows it was the Giant Spaghetti Monster...
By Unknown, at 2:45 PM, May 13, 2007
For English lovers, would you kindly correct your grammar? "Us scientists do indeed know"? Come on! It's "We scientists". "Us" cannot be used as a subject in that sentence. If you're going to maintain such an intellectual conversation regarding the origin of life, you should correct your grammar. Some of us only appreciate scientific comments if they are worded accurately. If you can't even speak your own language correctly, why should I believe what you say against creation? If a man offends the law in one point, is he not guilty of all?
By Anonymous, at 10:23 AM, November 03, 2007
Wow, awesome. And I mean awesome as mindblowing-standing-in-awe-of-some-people-who-manage-to-get-to-high-places-and-interviewed awesome. How did he manage that phrase without having his eyes explode.
By Anonymous, at 4:18 AM, December 03, 2008
Love how the quote is attributed to.. oh wait, there's no attribution, other than "a creationist". Fail.
By Anonymous, at 12:34 AM, August 19, 2009
Robert said: "As for the "monkey" question, evolution supposedly works along the lines of: First there were cells, then there were fish, then there were amphibians, then there were mammals, then there were people. (this is INSANELY simplified, I know.) The thing is, when there were fish, there were cells still becoming fish, when amphibians were becoming mammals, there were still fish becoming amphibians, so now that there are people, there are still monkeys becoming human."
That's a misconception, evolution is not a progression. Animals and are trying to evolve into humans. If an animal is successful in it's environment, it will continure to survive with almost no evolutionary changes for millsions of years. Turtles and mice are good examples.
As for the "humans came from monkeys" argument, that's also a misconception. Both humans and monkeys came from a common ancestor, think of it as a fork in the road as opposed to a linear progression. And also, just because one spiecies came from another doesn't mean the earlier spiecies suddenly dies out.
By Anonymous, at 3:43 AM, September 24, 2009
okay, so where did the sun get it's energy from to develop?
By Anonymous, at 8:56 AM, April 07, 2010
http://stupac2.blogspot.com/2006/09/top-ten-engineers-of-all-time.html
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