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Monday, December 10, 2007

Newsflash: the religious are easily offended idiots

It just never ends.

Some atheists posted a sign with an image of the Twin Towers and the words, "Imagine No Religion" in a park in a Vermont town. The subsequent hullabaloo was entirely predictable:

This Christmas, Martha Chennelle and Amy Houser say Vernon could use a few prayers, considering the sign standing in front of town hall.

"We believe that Christ is the reason for Christmas," said Chennelle.

"I feel like this is an attack on my beliefs as a religious person," said Houser.

Well, your belief is wrong. Christmas comes from Yule/Saturnalia, both pagan holidays that were co-opted to convert pagans. Further showing that the religious utterly lack knowledge of their own damn history. Nonetheless, this is essentially a bunch of idiots standing around belly-aching that someone doesn't like them. Religion really does turn the believer into a kindergartener, at least mentally.

The best part is this:

"We ultimately believe that Christians have been persecuted throughout history," said Houser, "so this is nothing new."

Yeah, but in the past thousand years or so the people doing the persecuting were other Christians. It's laughably absurd that people who make up a vast majority and control nearly everything are so terrified of atheists. Literally, their idiocy makes me laugh.

I really want to know why it's so hard for the religious to coexist with others who don't agree. You'd be hard-pressed to find an atheist who objects to all the religious symbols we see (except when they're on government ground and endorsed over other symbolism), but the religious just can't tolerate expressions of atheism. It's just ridiculous. And I know, not all believers are like these people, but those people aren't vocal, and don't distance themselves from the lunies. Maybe if all the sane people in the world, no matter what their religion, united against the nutjobs, all would be fine. But as long as the so-called "moderates" stay lined up with the whack-jobs situations like this will keep occurring.

And that's why we need to shame these people. Once acting like a moron is embarrassing and people aren't doing it, things will be much better for everyone.


  • Why would pagans celebrate the birth of Christ? I just don't understand how anyone could think that Christmas (the Christ Mass) is a pagan holiday. A pagan who worships Christ ceases to be a pagan.

    The date is pagan and a lot of the rituals, decorations, etc are pagan, but Christmas, as in the mass celebrating the birth of Christ, is an entirely Christian holiday.

    Christmas is about Christ. It's really not that difficult a concept. It's right there in the name!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:49 PM, December 10, 2007  

  • Good for you Anonymous, pointing that out. Except that it was entirely clear that I meant the date and all the rituals, which you concede are pagan. Jesus (if he existed at all) probably wasn't even born in the winter, making the claims that it's the "birth of christ" even more laughable.

    By Blogger Stupac2, at 2:51 PM, December 10, 2007  

  • Do you think a date and a decorated tree are really what those people were thinking about when they said that Christmas is a Christian holiday?

    Honestly, it's not what I think of when I think of Christmas - I think of Christ mass.

    As for the date, I don't see that it matters when Jesus was born. I've celebrated my birthday on days other than my birth date simply because it was more convenient to do so. That doesn't mean that I am celebrating some alternate holiday. It's still MY birthday celebration, even if it's on the wrong date. It's the intention of it, why people are gathering, that really matters, isn't it?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:59 PM, December 10, 2007  

  • Just to add about the rituals, people give me presents on my birthday. Just because the giving of gifts wasn't invented specifically for the celebration of MY birthday doesn't mean that the presents are magically no longer for MY birthday. I, and those around me, have adopted a ritual that was invented by other people for different purpose and made it our own.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:03 PM, December 10, 2007  

  • Well if that's what Christmas means to you then that's fine, but you have to recognize that for a large number of people (I'd guess most, but it's just a guess) Christmas is entirely secular and devoid of religious meaning. For my family (and most I know) it's not about "Christ Mass" at all.

    And if you're ok with celebrating someone's birthday on a day that's almost certainly not his actual birthday in ways that are almost entirely from sources totally unrelated to him, then that's fine. But you don't have any right to whine about how other people are treating your holiday (not that you do, but this "War on Christmas" rhetoric is insane).

    By Blogger Stupac2, at 3:08 PM, December 10, 2007  

  • Just to be clear, I don't agree with the people you've quoted AT ALL. The War on Christmas business is as ridiculous as claiming that the world was created six thousand years ago and that God placed all the fossils and geological records to "test our faith." It's idiotic.

    But you are responding from the perspective of someone who views Christmas as a secular holiday to people who view it as a religious one. From their perspective, Christmas is about Christ. They might give each other gifts, decorate a tree, they may even get caught up in all the materialism, but at the heart of it, it is still about Christ because they are Christians. You are answering to that and saying "no, Christmas is about paganism."

    You are operating with a different understanding of Christmas and essentially laughing at them for disagreeing - even though they are technically more correct than you are. While I agree with you that most people don't celebrate the Christ Mass, that's still what is at the heart of Christmas, that's still the purpose for all the rituals (though the purpose would have been different two thousand years ago).

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